Hands Up Who Hates Pandas?
Ok not the fluffy, loveable kind but the website ranking eating kind.
Google have been rolling out various Panda/Farmer updates since Feb and it has killed lots of marketers, I find it almost funny how no one seems to be talking about it in IM. Maybe if we don’t mention it then it never happened.
Well it did happen, results for many peoples sites are really screwed up (If you have had personal nut kicking from Panda feel free to share in the comments, or if you didn’t share why you think your sites escaped) and it sucks. Everywhere I see people saying Diversify, do your own products etc etc.
That is great advice but it doesn’t bring back the income from the sites that were ranking. It is also easy to say when you are already diversified, which lucky enough I am. No one likes losing income they have had.
I want my $2 (go on what film is that from).
I actually had a friend who said they felt like crying after this update, I also have a friend who loves it because he has done very well from it..
What did they do different? Well I will share that in another post this week, right now I will just share some thoughts and some honesty.
My adsense/amazon sites got royally screwed in this last update, lucky enough I am very diversified in my income but I still don’t like a pay cut, I went through all the stages that we all go through when a relationship goes pear shaped .
- Anger – I was furious, it was all their fault
- Recrimination – What did I ever do to them..
- Getting back- I switched to using Bing for my own searching (like sleeping with the ex’s best friend)
- Realization and Acceptance – Yeah maybe the sites were not that great and maybe I didn’t have the link diversity I should of
In a normal relationship break up this is where I go and hang out in some dodgy bars or clubs for a while to prove I can make it on my own still. I am a married man and when I asked if I could go to some dodgy bar to get over Panda I was told I had to go clean up the dog poop in the yard.
Then I start to try and work out what I did wrong and work on it, So that was next, I went on an info hunt
Best Panda Update Information – I spent hours reading tons of post (I link to some at the bottom of the post) but the only one that made me sit back and really think was the one liner was from @dannysullivan at Search Engine Land. “It feels more like a new ranking factor than an algorithm change” . That really did it for me, that made me think of total change rather than hoping quick fixes would work for ever
I am going to share some things I have done immediately to try and tighten up my posts then in the next post I will share what the differences are between the guy who is as happy as can be with Panda and the ones who aren’t.
Tag Clouds – gone , or I made them no index. They are basically duplicate content and so many people have been putting bucket loads of them on each post it was just getting abused. I actually prefer to just delete them all and 301/404 redirect (i know a 404 redirect is not perfect) them to the home page. The sites I had made using some software seemed to have hundreds of tags (I actually deleted 1400 tags from one customers site)
Thin Posts – If you use any kind of software to build your sites and you have posts that have no images, 30 words and a buy here button that is just not going to cut it. So either fix em up or delete them, if they were making sales then fix them up, if they arent I deleted them. I have used so many diff bits of software to make sites I cant even list them all.
Look at Analytics -Look at all your content and see which pages were getting views pre panda. If your post is not getting 5/10/15 page views a month (totally arbitrary number) either fix it up or get rid of it. If you look at a post and believe in the content on there then commit to doing something with it. Add images, build links, add more content.
Ask Mum – Ask your mum or your wife or someone else who is not a seo/internet marketer what they think when they first see the site. If they wince and run off crying or avoid eye contact with you then you know you need to review your site. Ugly sites were always good for click throughs but times they are a changing.
Review your plugins – Times are changing and your tool set needs to change.
Seo Plugin By Yoast- i was using all in one seo and I just like this one so much more. Maybe I will do a video on it at some point.
Google Plus One -there are a few plugins for this
Facebook likes/shares/hates/don’t care – whatever the latest addition is to their buttons, there are a few plugins for this
Magazine style plugin - Wish I had thought of this one myself. I just spent the last 2 weeks adding this to all my sites and the bounce rate is down and people are hanging around more which is a good thing.
Indexing-if you have a 200 page site and only 20 pages were even indexed, this seems to have really annoyed the Panda and resulted in a sitewide problem. So get your rss feed from the site and get all those posts indexed, or you can remove the ones that aren’t indexed or put them in “do not index” state.
Next Panda Update – Panda is not a continuous updating thing so the work you do today may not help your site for a month or more. This makes it tough to keep pushing with it, but quitting is not an option! Smarter people than me will work out exactly what Google now wants. I think they want more in depth content, images, comments and stuff that a normal site would have. Look at your teenagers site and see what they include (ok maybe no one needs pics of the twilight caste on their site).
Oh and before I finish this, question for you..
Did the person who taught you to drive also teach you history, how to program, be a secretary or whatever your day job is? Probably not, we have different people who teach us different things. So when you want to learn how to promote your small business go to someone who does that all the time.
@LukeMoulton
http://smallbusinessbigmarketing.com/
When you want to read about SEO go to people who do it day in and day out, they test, they have budgets they have teams to kick stuff around and they are not trying to sell you an ebook for $17
@randfish
@paddymoogan
@dannySullivan
Three people I follow on twitter, if you are serious about wanting to learn seo and can afford to join seomoz I hear it is great.
Ok Panda Links that I liked
http://searchengineland.com/your-sites-traffic-has-plummeted-since-googles-farmerpanda-update-now-what-66769
http://www.labnol.org/internet/google-traffic-after-panda/18914/
http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2076480/The-Panda-Enigma-An-Overview-of-Major-SEO-Factors
http://searchengineland.com/coming-soon-google-panda-update-2-2-80848
Please do feel free to comment, retweet, like or link to this post. Oh and feel free to look at any of the links on the right, you buy my stuff and I make money that is pretty much how it all works.








Hi Paul
funny I did a post on the same subject today. It really does feel as if the goalposts have not only been moved but hidden, and google does not know where they are!!
I dont mind give quality and relavance I even admit some of my sites deserved a kick from panda, however there seems so much inconsistancy, with there no real rules, perhaps thats what google wants the big money and the big boys, look at every uk high street the little mans gone, perhaps the gold rush is over?
It wont stop me but it has slowed things down quite a bit. great Post Paul
Lee
lol.. Great minds think alike and all that or maybe there is something in the air. I feel sorry for my wife who has a site on something she likes and it is all 100% unique with nice relevant pics and is good for peeps in the market and that got hit as well.
As you say it is the lack of consistency just now that drives you nuts.
Thanks for dropping in and I agree about not stopping me
Paul
Lee’s post is here and is well worth a read
Good post Paul.
To me it seems that the way Google is changing things around at the moment, its as if they have no real idea what to do next in their grand vision of the perfect Google dominated Internet, so they just do something, see what happens, and then take it from there!
Why else would things go one way this week, and the opposite direction next week. There is no cohesion there at all. They obviously don’t care one jot for all the people whos incomes they are destroying.
If anyone else ran a business like that, they would be broke by now…If there is any fairness in this world.. they will be…
Keith
Thanks Keith
To be fair to them the search departments job is to give the best results they can (or as they think they should). Their job is not to worry about our income. I Imagine they keep the search teams away from the Adsense etc teams.
But I do agree about the changes seeming to be sporadic. However that works really well against people trying to work out how to game the system. If there is one big update then it is relatively easy to see what worked and what didn’t but with the changes being spread out it makes it harder.
Paul
Panda? More like an elephant!
I am having mixed results with no pattern so the whole ‘new ranking factor’ fits with me. To this end and by chance I got Georges plugin (mentioned above) and love it. Had to do some sall php and css tweaks but it rocks bigtime.
BTW http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088794/
Dave
Thanks for dropping by.. Nice find on the film!
The whole no pattern thing is what is most worrying for people I think. I am hoping we will work it out..
Paul
oh and if anyone has more than a handful of wordpress sites and wants to keep them updated easily you should try Daves WordPress Mass Updater Tool
My webmaster analytics shows me a lot of duplicate meta tags descriptions. Could this affect my blog?
Having a unique meta description for each post is a good idea , google ranks pages not sites so look on each page as a job of its own.
Maybe all the minnows can band together and convince the world not to support the big public money sites. How, I don’t know, but we could stop linking to them, stop selling Amazon? Just putting it out there.
Thanks for popping in, Nice idea, but not really practical. The fact is that if you want traffic from Google you have to look at playing by their rules. The alternative is to find other traffic and income sources..
Hi Paul
Good post, I always enjoy your humour. I agree with a lot of what you say except for the images. Are they really that important? I thought text was the biggest factor.
I’ve not noticed any real difference. One out of my 6 sites did drop a little in traffic, but has recovered now so don’t know if it was Panda related or not. However I have changed certain things..
1. no more posting on Ezine Articles. All original content goes to my own sites and
2. have removed tag clouds and am in the process of deleted excess tags.
Cheers
Wendy
Hi Wendy
I think that text is still going to be the big factor but if you look at sites run by “people” they almost always have at least one image in the content. Google want to stop people who are building sites for the purpose of making money, apparently we are all supposed to give them our content for the good of our health..lol
1-makes sense, but what else are you doing for links
2-I am also making tags no index so they wont show up in the results (which is a bummer as tag pages normally get ok ctr on adsense)
I am also removing the “next page” navigation from my sites so I don’t end up with /page/2/ indexed.. I have sitemaps and I use my easy link creator plugin for internal (and external) linking.
You say you were not hit at all Wendy, I get the feeling from what I have seen of your sites you have older in depth info sites. Is that right?
Do you do facebook/twitter with them or solely article marketing (if you dont mind sharing)
Paul
Yes Paul, they’re mainly content sites & 1 dates back to 2004. Re linking I chop and change but at the moment I am using 2 programs which allow in context blog links, one you can select the blogs yourself (not FTS) and the other is done more automatically. Also have access to some .edu sites which I post on occasionally. I do have a facebook & Twitter account but very lazy with this!
I am just checking out your easy link creator plugin.
Many thanks
Wendy
I have access to some edu sites but just as you said I get lazy about posting. I am partnering with someone this week to share a outsourcer, she likes to deal with people but doesnt make training videos so I am doing that. I may get them to collect posts to go on some facebook and twitter accounts I have got for non im stuff.
I will email you about the other think you asked, I can do that for you.
Paul
Luckily I have veered away from almost all black or grey hot tactics. Admittedly I have tried a few and those 3 sites dropped from 400 visits a day to 40 visits a day which doesn’t help out with income at all.
My best experience has been following Google’s Best Practices guide. Seriously they did write that thing for a reason
I do not think for one minute that black hat or grey hat (crappy terms that get over used) are to blame for panda. I know too many people doing real BH stuff who have not even affected at all by it, I also know people who are purer than pure who got hit.
I think this is the most complex update they have done and will take some time to work out fully but I am 100% confident we will get our groove back..
You are probably right for the most part, but after the update I bragged about how I didn’t get hit the update. Then stumbled across free adblaster posted the ad on the 15th and traffic dropped to less than 5 visits a day on the 18th. It was my better amazon site (memorymegamall.com)
spam black hat whatever you want to call it I wont do it again, building links honestly has always been my best strategy, (including with comment hut) but then again I haven’t really fought for any high competition words either, I am still a nub
Sorry about the hit but thanks for sharing the info on the adblaster. If that is the only change you made then you are probably onto something. I have never done the adblast thing on craigslist or usafree ads.
Thanks for using comment hut, we will have a new version with some nice additions in a week or two (waiting for my test copy to come back)