The Deindexing Has Started
Well further to my post about BMR yesterday -http://www.thenewbiehelper.com/bmr-closed-end-of-world-not-coming/
The fall out has started. Just had my first notification of a site being deinxed.
Log into Google Webmaster tools to see if you got the same, if you did not yet..well I hope you do not..
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Dear Site Owner or Webmaster of
We’ve detected that some of your site’s pages may be using techniques that are outside Google’s Webmaster Guidelines.
Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes.
We encourage you to make changes to your site, so that it meets our Quality Guidelines. Once you’ve made these changes, please submit your site for reconsideration in Google’s search results.
If you find unnatural links to your site that you are unable to control or remove, please provide the details in your reconsideration request.
If you have additional questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forumfor support.
Yours sincerely,
Google Search Quality Team
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Not sure where this will end, although if I had known that using BMR would get sites deindexed I would have used it on my competitors sites instead of my own!
Strangely enough this is not the site that i used BMR on the most. So does this mean that every site that was ever put into BMR is going to be deindexed? If that is the case we could be in for HUGE fall out..
Batten down the hatches boys and girls Stormy waters ahead..
UPDATE
Thought I would do a quick update as this is getting weirder..The site they gave me the message for is indeed still in the rankings (as Michelle M said her subscriber had experienced) one of the sites I used BMR on a lot is up one place.
I would advise that everyone just sit tight and not do any thing (other than remove the links from BMR) and not buy any new product in the heat of the moment which is released by people using the “bmr is gone use us” line.
Heya Paul – Wondering if the site actually deindexed in SERP’s yet? I’ve got a email subscriber who got the notice but his site is still in the SERPs. Wonder if it’s more a warning or if they are actually deindexing you?
Hi Michelle
-love the new site by the way and the free course you did recently was great, I actually sent some people to it. I also go 30 minute backlinks and gave it to my outsourcer..anyway..
You may be right but why send this as a warning when it says you can request a re-inclusion..unless Google just could not be bothered changing their message..and are looking to scare people.
The funniest thing is the site in question has had the best 2 days ever yesterday and today so far..
I am telling people to do nothing and see what the real fall out is. I am worried people will jump at anything that is offered in pure panic.
Like you I have always talked about diversity but I think we need to do more than diversify.. More on that soon
Paul
Thx Paul!
I don’t know what their intention is with the notices – to warn or to deindex. The wording is confusing given, like I wrote, that my subscriber’s site is still in the index… Only time will tell.
Did you remove your links from BMR? They have a button to nuke everything.
I wonder if they send the warning, wait to see if you remove the offending links, then either allow you to stay indexed (if you remove them) or deindex you (if you leave them up)…
Hi
I did remove the links today, I thought about it as some of the sites are not deindexed but how do you know which ones and you cant just keep those links. They say it could take a week to remove them.
With those links gone I imagine there will be some serious juggling in the indexes. So far today I have noticed one site I used it on has moved up a spot for its main keyword (no idea what that means in the scheme of it all).
I think the link network issue will take a while to settle..I feel bad for newbies who just started in with it hard.
Thanks for commenting
I wonder if they are looking at sites that have lots of “generated” links or ones that have any amount of easily identifiable links .
There may also be other factors they look at, freshness of content for example. Long ago i got out of the habit of worrying about what google does to my sites.
Once you start looking at a network it is quite easy to find the whole thing. If Spammy site A has 100 links all from
-wordpress sites
-content of 150-200 words
-all exact keywords
then you look at the sites where those links came from and each site is full of short posts with links on each post..you are into the network. It doesnt even have to be 100 links, they would only need a small sample to start working it out.
I dont think freshness comes into it this is pure links
Weird thing is my adsense income has been up the last 2 days, rise before the storm quite possibly but interesting..
from everything I have heard this has been spammed to almost everybody’s webmaster account. What they’re actually looking for our people to rat out other article linked networks and specifically supply URLs to help them flesh out these networks.
From what I understand it has been pretty successful and different link networks are being de-indexed at a rate of about 20%. Since for myself my income from online endeavors is pretty small I am just ignoring the spam e-mail in my webmaster tools.
here is an e-mail I got from link authority. By the way I am in no way endorsing link authority but I found the e-mail interesting. by the way NDA means nondisclosure agreement.
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Hey, yesterday a lot of you probably saw the NDA and agreed to it
We have had a lot of people asking what the NDA actually means. So the main reasons why the NDA has been implemented is as follows.
1) To stop sabotages from joining the network and then reporting all URLs – They signed up to the agreement and if they abuse this we will take legal action
2) To stop Google from joining a network and using our data for their own benefit
3) To keep the network private
4) This is probably one of the main reasons we did it – As we are 99% sure that Google is wiping out networks as follows.
For the last 2 months Google have been sending out MASS notifications to website owners via webmaster tools. Now this is triggered and done with the algothirm. This in my opinion is a scare tactic, I don’t know how many people have received this message, but its not usually followed with a penalty.
The reason I believe for this message being sent is Google are forcing people to self report themselves. We already know BMR got hit yesterday, so all it would have taken is one or two users receiving that auto notification, getting scared and then saying to Google, but I only used BMR for links, and its basically bye bye to all them sites in their link profile, effectively wiping out a chunk of sites in any given network.
Its a very clever, but sneaky approach by Google because it reduces human intervention and overheads when the algo is initially triggering off the messages. This year they have already sent around a million webmaster reports so even if they get a response from 2% it is well worth it.
Hi Tom
Thanks for coming and commenting. Thanks for sharing the email which gave me a much needed laugh this morning. An NDA is a joke, how would they ever know who specifically reported the sites and how would they be able to prove that Google joined and used the data. I actually do not think Google join these places, I think they do it with information they garner from site profiles of sites they consider spammy.
Everyone (including me) is really guessing, we are making (hopefully) educated guesses but they are still guesses.
Every link network is going to be telling us why they are different, why they wont ever get caught. I doubt if any of them are going to be as honest as the guys at BMR have been (which is why when the guys from BMR talk about their next move I will at least listen). They are trying to protect their business and I understand it but no one knows if theirs will be the one that truly slips under the bar and never gets caught or not.
The best way to run a private link network is to keep it truly private and that means no sales pages, no affiliate payments to anyone. That is why some networks charge $500 a month and limit you to a couple of sites, they are heavily managed so they last longer. For this to work you have to be in big niches.
All the networks have a footprint and once you work that out it becomes easier to find all the sites.
-posts of 150-300 words – none shorter, none longer
-every post has at least 1 link
-all wordpress
-all have the exact same categories , i think the most I have on any of my sites is 6 categories why would any site need 30?
-Owners – if you have 3k domains in your network, how can you possibly have each assigned to a different owner. There may be a way but I imagine this to be the worst thing to manage so the easiest to find if you have Googles access to data.
I would also guess that not every site in the bmr network was hit, I say this because many years ago when G wiped out all my network of really bad adsense sites they missed 2 or 3 which were still earning up until a year or less ago. I could never work out what was different about those couple of sites. If they could work out what was missed they will be in a good spot.
Ok well this reply has turned into an epic..lol
Paul
Had to pull my site from Link Authority…. put of 65 post i made, 15 were deindexed and the links did not even last a month. The support said they got 10% deindexed sites in total from the network. Gotta be careful with this kind of network from now on.
Hi Benjie
Any kind of published link network is going to be dangerous right now. Concentrate on adding more unique content to your sites and try and get more social signals going is my advice
Good luck
Heya Paul – checking in. Any movement?
Hi
Yes I am seeing a downward movement of 10-50 places but no deindexing. Now I was not just using BMR for my sites which is a plus point and the sites are generally 2+ years old.
So does that mean they are just discounting the links from BMR and not deindexing. I did remove my links as I just thought it was best to be safe. I will do some new links and see where we go from there.
Link diversity and being lazy enough not to have done 100′s of BMR links may have saved me!
I would advise anyone to start adding some more diversity to their links right now and start thinking about their business and their niches.
Questioning yourself is the hardest thing to do I fine:-
How serious are you about it all?
Playing or really wanting to build a business?
Pocket money or buy a new house money?
Fun times ahead!
Paul